Anyone ever notice that Momochi hates Shouji?
She never seemed like the kind of woman that hated anyone and with all the crap she has to put up with she has never shown much signs of hostility towards anyone, but when it comes to Shouji she just seems to hate him, not look at him, talk to him, or regrets when she needs his help.
This is never explained in the series, anyone got any idea for this hate? I mean Shouji isnt at all really that bad of a person, he has done many good things for the people in the story, he saved Misaki's and Iwata's life, he saved Sumiyoshi's data files. I mean really what could have happened?
Maybe she thinks that Shiouji is attractive and doesn't want to get too close to him, which would make her lose her love for Kabapu? :laugh:
I think she doesn't like Shiouji's mother... Something happened between Momochi and her (hinted in volume 12)
Maybe she doesn't hate him; maybe she's avoiding him because she's got some connection with his parents that she doesn't want him to catch onto. We know nothing about Momochi's actual motivations. I think I'll be a little disappointed if she DOESN'T have some kind of big secret.
I'd honestly be surprised if she didn't have some big secret.
Onw thing I noticed while rereading: she and Shioji look remarkably alike.
Could just be the drawing style, of course, but what if she's his sister?
Maybe they were GF BF in HS/College and she left him because of how he acted?
Gee, could it be because she might not like pedophiles and thinks he's a creepy freak? Just an idea.
Quote from: ElricJC on September 24, 2007, 04:41:09 PM
Gee, could it be because she might not like pedophiles and thinks he's a creepy freak? Just an idea.
I'd have to agree with this. You people are reading way too far into it.
My first post in this thread was a joke, by the way.
I wasn't reading your post so much (yes, I can tell it was a joke, smiley face and all) but I think there's definitely too much being read into this.
Shioji is a pedophile, and Momochi is very straight laced and "normal" and most normal people find pedophiles naturally offensive. She gets a case of the creeps any time she's near him, the same way any normal person would be around a pedophile.
But still Shouji aint all that bad a guy or all that creepy I mean hell in the last few volumes what has done at all thats been creepy?
He saved Misaki (From the Blizzard)
He saved Watanabe (From terrorist)
He saved Iwata (Half a dozen times)
He saved Sumiyoshi (Computer files)
He has done a lot of good things but just had a bit of a ego problem that has all but vanished now...
Quote from: skycloud117 on September 24, 2007, 04:49:58 PM
But still Shouji aint all that bad a guy or all that creepy I mean hell in the last few volumes what has done at all thats been creepy?
He saved Misaki (From the Blizzard)
He saved Watanabe (From terrorist)
He saved Iwata (Half a dozen times)
He saved Sumiyoshi (Computer files)
He has done a lot of good things but just had a bit of a ego problem that has all but vanished now...
He also enjoys sitting on a park bench, eyeing little girls with bad intent.
Aqualung is win.
Quote from: ElricJC on September 24, 2007, 04:48:16 PM
I wasn't reading your post so much (yes, I can tell it was a joke, smiley face and all) but I think there's definitely too much being read into this.
Shioji is a pedophile, and Momochi is very straight laced and "normal" and most normal people find pedophiles naturally offensive. She gets a case of the creeps any time she's near him, the same way any normal person would be around a pedophile.
How on earth is Kabapu at all normal... and she deals with him all the time. Besides Shouji has made NO attempt in the manga to hit on or lust after little girls, in fact I recall him hitting on Misaki a few times, even wanting to work on her body if she died.
He just simply enjoys the ombiounce of youth because of its pure nature, not for its sexual wanting...
Quote from: skycloud117 on September 24, 2007, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: ElricJC on September 24, 2007, 04:48:16 PM
I wasn't reading your post so much (yes, I can tell it was a joke, smiley face and all) but I think there's definitely too much being read into this.
Shioji is a pedophile, and Momochi is very straight laced and "normal" and most normal people find pedophiles naturally offensive. She gets a case of the creeps any time she's near him, the same way any normal person would be around a pedophile.
How on earth is Kabapu at all normal... and she deals with him all the time. Besides Shouji has made NO attempt in the manga to hit on or lust after little girls, in fact I recall him hitting on Misaki a few times, even wanting to work on her body if she died.
He just simply enjoys the ombiounce of youth because of its pure nature, not for its sexual wanting...
Erm... it's somewhat implied that he was having sexual intercourse with Ropponmatsu 2 in his car, at one point.
Even if that's not what was really happening, what about her "special attack move?"
huh... She can fire rockets from her knee's and fire lazars from eyes? But I dont know what reference your talking about? The one where Shouji pulls up infront of the new apartment with a fixed Rop.2? Because from what I read she was the one driving wrecklessly >.>
Quote from: skycloud117 on September 24, 2007, 04:59:57 PM
huh... She can fire rockets from her knee's and fire lazars from eyes? But I dont know what reference your talking about? The one where Shouji pulls up infront of the new apartment with a fixed Rop.2? Because from what I read she was the one driving wrecklessly >.>
Oh, I think you know the one.
no seriously im really drawing a blank I honestly cant recall this one. (though I am reading the whole series again im just on book 3 atm)
Iwata's brain is in Ropponmatsu 1's body. He's just accidentally destroyed the apartment. Shiouji uses Ropponmatsu 2 to subdue him. Think hard.
Oh... that one, let me re read that situation one sec
Or the scene when Nishiki and Iwata are arguing about love lives or something like that and Nishiki says "Humans and robots get some, stupid cyborgs get none!"
Where do you think she's "getting some" from?
And even Kabapu was shown to be a little creeped out by him, like when they met on the park bench, but Kabapu deals with him because he's pragmatic.
QuoteGee, could it be because she might not like pedophiles and thinks he's a creepy freak? Just an idea.
Thats what i thought.
Quote from: ElricJC on September 24, 2007, 06:33:15 PM
Or the scene when Nishiki and Iwata are arguing about love lives or something like that and Nishiki says "Humans and robots get some, stupid cyborgs get none!"
Where do you think she's "getting some" from?
And even Kabapu was shown to be a little creeped out by him, like when they met on the park bench, but Kabapu deals with him because he's pragmatic.
Please that was just to piss Iwata off, u know how kids are evil...
QuoteOr the scene when Nishiki and Iwata are arguing about love lives or something like that and Nishiki says "Humans and robots get some, stupid cyborgs get none!"
Where do you think she's "getting some" from?
And even Kabapu was shown to be a little creeped out by him, like when they met on the park bench, but Kabapu deals with him because he's pragmatic.
Please that was just to piss Iwata off, u know how kids are evil...
Yeah i remember that. that was creepy! And remember what she did with iwata when he was having a wet dream. she is experienced with sex. And the only one that could teach Two that is her master.
Even more creepy. He also drives a white unmarked van around. so you know he has at least thought about trying to get some with a little girl. and when sumy-chans sister came around, Shiouji dressed Two up like her so you know he fulfills he sick fantasies on her.
So yes he is a pedophile and thats why momochi dislikes him.
Quote from: FullmetalExcel on September 24, 2007, 08:41:56 PM
QuoteOr the scene when Nishiki and Iwata are arguing about love lives or something like that and Nishiki says "Humans and robots get some, stupid cyborgs get none!"
Where do you think she's "getting some" from?
And even Kabapu was shown to be a little creeped out by him, like when they met on the park bench, but Kabapu deals with him because he's pragmatic.
Please that was just to piss Iwata off, u know how kids are evil...
Yeah i remember that. that was creepy! And remember what she did with iwata when he was having a wet dream. she is experienced with sex. And the only one that could teach Two that is her master.
Even more creepy. He also drives a white unmarked van around. so you know he has at least thought about trying to get some with a little girl. and when sumy-chans sister came around, Shiouji dressed Two up like her so you know he fulfills he sick fantasies on her.
So yes he is a pedophile and thats why momochi dislikes him.
Your looking to much into, little kids say ANYTHING to piss someone they fight with off, you know this.
About her being experienced in sex, um... she is a ROBOT she has no sexual organs, she doesnt have those kinds of feelings! Besides remember he mind is linked to Rop. 1, whos to say that Ten didnt preinstall ideas on how to make love (and knowing his personality that is something he WOULD do)
He doesnt drive an unmarked white van, it has his company's logo all over it...
He also just dressed two up to show to Sumiyoshi that he knew about her from Iwata's brain...
Quote from: skycloud117 on September 24, 2007, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: FullmetalExcel on September 24, 2007, 08:41:56 PM
QuoteOr the scene when Nishiki and Iwata are arguing about love lives or something like that and Nishiki says "Humans and robots get some, stupid cyborgs get none!"
Where do you think she's "getting some" from?
And even Kabapu was shown to be a little creeped out by him, like when they met on the park bench, but Kabapu deals with him because he's pragmatic.
Please that was just to piss Iwata off, u know how kids are evil...
Yeah i remember that. that was creepy! And remember what she did with iwata when he was having a wet dream. she is experienced with sex. And the only one that could teach Two that is her master.
Even more creepy. He also drives a white unmarked van around. so you know he has at least thought about trying to get some with a little girl. and when sumy-chans sister came around, Shiouji dressed Two up like her so you know he fulfills he sick fantasies on her.
So yes he is a pedophile and thats why momochi dislikes him.
Your looking to much into, little kids say ANYTHING to piss someone they fight with off, you know this.
About her being experienced in sex, um... she is a ROBOT she has no sexual organs, she doesnt have those kinds of feelings!
Perhaps Shiouji installed sexual organs in her so she could fulfill his fantasies.
Damn, I feel weird typing shit like that. But seriously, it's possible.
Also remember when she stumbled down the stairs naked. Watanabe and Iwata wouldn't have been as shocked if she didn't have anything to see in that regard.
And I also feel dirty for saying this but remember, she does have a mouth (I really don't think I need to explain further...)
But didnt u notice that her body wasnt fully human looking? u can easily tell she has dif parts...
Quote from: skycloud117 on September 25, 2007, 07:14:59 AM
But didnt u notice that her body wasnt fully human looking? u can easily tell she has dif parts...
This is Ropponmatsu in "naked" mode...
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m73/El_Sargento/tasty-1.jpg)
I agreed with you >_>
Lol at the new sig, poor Elgala...
But yea Rop. 2 I just dont think has the capability to do those things, she is much more mechanical looking then Rop. 1 with the no real ears cept cat ears, the cord, the obvious attachment lines on her body. Hell I doubt she even has nipples I mean she cant feel differences in hot/cold so they could never erm... u know. (Dont want to talk bout that anymore)
Plus she cant even cry right!
you might want to rethink that last comment about her crying as she can cry if you remember Iwata being the cause
Quote from: HA1L ILPALLAZZO on September 25, 2007, 12:15:02 PM
you might want to rethink that last comment about her crying as she can cry if you remember Iwata being the cause
:excel_fall:
Quote from: skycloud117 on September 25, 2007, 09:31:24 AM
Plus she cant even cry right!
The bolded part is the key XD
That was exactly the point i was thinking thats why i said she cant cry... "right" as in she could try but she messed up and sprayed all over the place
i remember momochi once saying she didnt want to be near him as much as possible. Kabapu agreed with that.
personally i like Shioji and always have, to be honest i was shocked when he told the car to follow the grade school girl because it seemed apparent he wanted to abduct her, but anyway, i like him and umi together. they ARE cousins but that seems like a more normal arrangement.
ooookay, um, shioji is a weirdo but im accustomed so i dont get freaked out.
is there any hope of him doing something 'normal'??
Does anyone else find that his cousin being in love with him is a bit off?
I mean I guess its ok if they arent blood related...
it legal. at least in my country. but taboo.
plus, no-one said she loves him. uh, no, i mean, does she actually say she does?
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/skycloud117/Umiconfession.png)
Hope the left isnt to blurry for u to read that last box
that doesnt really creep me out.
is that weird.
although, if it happened in real life - i'd be crepped out and thinking they were inbred deros.
Well I dont think of it as creepy but just a bit off really.
Certainly something like this doesnt help Shouji's look, but how would people feel for Umi? Should she go for it? Not go for it?
Umi and Shiouji should move to Kentucky.
I'm sorry, this thread was lacking a redneck joke.
Meh its impossible for shouji to be red nexked
or move to tasmainia.
this thread was also lacking a tasmanian joke.
i rekon umi should tell him. at least she'd know what he thought before she got any ideas.
I dont get how the HELL Shouji doesnt recognize Excel from there little "Road Trip"
Quote from: skycloud117 on September 28, 2007, 09:28:21 AM
I dont get how the HELL Shouji doesnt recognize Excel from there little "Road Trip"
"When we run into each other in the hallway, he gives me a kind of... weird look"
._.U Weird sentence...
Umi says he gives everyone that look though...
But he first just bursted out who she was because he didnt know
QuoteUmi and Shiouji should move to Kentucky.
I'm sorry, this thread was lacking a redneck joke.
LOL
Hay foggle i live close to Kentucky! and its not as redneck as you think! West Virgina is more redneck then Kentucky.
Quote from: FullmetalExcel on September 29, 2007, 12:52:38 PM
QuoteUmi and Shiouji should move to Kentucky.
I'm sorry, this thread was lacking a redneck joke.
LOL
Hay foggle i live close to Kentucky! and its not as redneck as you think! West Virgina is more redneck then Kentucky.
Good point, and duly noted. :lordilsmile:
I kind of feel sorry for Umi since I doubt Shiouji will ever return her affection. I hope she finds a guy who loves her one day.
shioji should remember excel. i mean - he tried to kill her.
well, he knows her body wasnt found, so it's possible.
plus, doesn't shioji love la lollis?
although he did make an exception for excel. But Just This Once.
He makes exceptions for any girl that is pretty. Like Masaki
It's less that he loves lolis than that he hates boobies (albeit only slightly less). Besides that, he's never actually stated Misaki to be an exception. He just hits on her. Clearly, her bosom is within a margin of acceptable girth.
possible he just never thought of Umi because 1. she is his cousin (although he did love her when there were kids (it was hinted)) 2. She causes him a lot of stress
he does seem to hate her now. he just puts up with the fact he has to hire her.
huh hate her now? why do u say that? He is acting the same as he always had. If he anymore upset its the fact Rop was stolen and he is trying to develop a power source to power her.
Although that in itself is strange... Iwata is able to move about for extended periods of time on some power source. Why cant he just power Rop. 2 as he does for Iwata? He still has Rop. 2 bodies since only the first model was stolen by Il Palazzo.
Hell Rop could probly last longer then Iwata since he is much bigger and has power close to that if not the same as Rop. 1. Hell even Iwata was controling Rop 1 so we all know that they can run at the same time...
I mean whats the point of his experiment he is currently doing if he needs a power source he could easily create one like Iwata. He cant copy whatever it is that gives Rop 2 her personality/memory/mind so why bother with whatever he is doing...
i just meant in book 12(as far as i have gotten) he doesnt seem freindly, he tried to ignore her and made sort of mean things he was sorta shocked she didnt understand the meaning of.
does he get nicer, or does it have something to do with miwa?
little of both
Quote from: skycloud117 on October 01, 2007, 08:52:15 PM
huh hate her now? why do u say that? He is acting the same as he always had. If he anymore upset its the fact Rop was stolen and he is trying to develop a power source to power her.
Although that in itself is strange... Iwata is able to move about for extended periods of time on some power source. Why cant he just power Rop. 2 as he does for Iwata? He still has Rop. 2 bodies since only the first model was stolen by Il Palazzo.
Hell Rop could probly last longer then Iwata since he is much bigger and has power close to that if not the same as Rop. 1. Hell even Iwata was controling Rop 1 so we all know that they can run at the same time...
I mean whats the point of his experiment he is currently doing if he needs a power source he could easily create one like Iwata. He cant copy whatever it is that gives Rop 2 her personality/memory/mind so why bother with whatever he is doing...
That's an interesting point about Iwata. In Vol. 16 Iwata seems to suggest that he has to plug himself into a charger every night at Shiouji's place. When Matsuya and he were trapped in the snow cave, he "froze up" before she passed out, suggesting that even if his body has super-powers, it's not as energy efficient as a normal human body. But "the core" seems to be something more advanced, that enables independence.
Hmm its possible he was exerting more energy then normal to help keep misaki warm. But his power supply seems to last around one day on normal bases. Also Rop. 1 needed a fair bit of charging as well to keep up.
Quote from: Foggle on September 23, 2007, 04:18:27 PM
I'd honestly be surprised if she didn't have some big secret.
Well going on V.17 there is obviously much more to Momochi then meets the eye which Misaki has now noticed.
Looking at things though out of the main characters we probably know the least about Momochi.
POTENTIAL SPOILERS IF I TURN OUT RIGHT.
IMO She is seceretly working for Miwa or in the most extreme case is in fact Shouji's Father in a robotic body.
Or Shioji's father in disguise, not just robotic, as we do not know what Shioji's father looks like.
Or... The priest the old hag, Tenmangu Shiouji & Momochi are all the same person!!! :il_hahaha:
excel has to be connected - how does she rattle off scientific terms and formulas with almost no thought?
Quote from: randamonian on March 19, 2008, 06:37:01 PM
excel has to be connected - how does she rattle off scientific terms and formulas with almost no thought?
I Wonder about that. Is it that she's forgotten something? Excel does seem to be more prone to amnesia than a bad daytime soap opera character.
Quote from: Agent Kego on March 21, 2008, 04:59:42 PM
Quote from: randamonian on March 19, 2008, 06:37:01 PM
excel has to be connected - how does she rattle off scientific terms and formulas with almost no thought?
I Wonder about that. Is it that she's forgotten something? Excel does seem to be more prone to amnesia than a bad daytime soap opera character.
I'm pretty sure half the cast have selective amnesia and a good third have been brainwashed.
yeah, i think that with hyatt's amnesia. their amnesia [by il palazzo] is triggered when under attack or severe trauma in which they forget about themselves or what happened. when hayatt was captured, her amnesia was then triggered so no one would find out about ACROSS. thats why excel had that bout of amnesia when she got hit by that car. when she saw mince, it came back. and when hyatt saw il palazzo, her memory came back.
so i think excel's memory is starting to come back once she saw il palazzo, elgala and hyatt. oh, and herself in that magazine. but i think she's fighting it a little. they intimidate her, so she doesn't want to remember.
we've gone so far off topic.
It seems like whatever is cuainsg the brainwashing and selective amnesia is kind of faulty.
Also, I think Momochi doesn't feel comfortable around Shouji because he has pedophilic tendancies and his mother is too gropey.
normal reaction. they must get that alot.
Quote from: randamonian on June 19, 2008, 12:18:45 AM
normal reaction. they must get that alot.
Yes it wouldn't be a normal reaction if people acted normally around him
wonder what he was like in high school, he must have often come on to the younger years, creeping everyone out, being teased...
Quote from: Randamo on June 24, 2008, 12:31:03 AM
wonder what he was like in high school, he must have often come on to the younger years, creeping everyone out, being teased...
As the son of two brilliant scientists, Shiouji probably was too busy studying at special advanced schools to even
think about fooling around. Also, aside from his 'special interests', and occasional ego-driven displays, he comes off as a very serious individual who prefers to maintain a certain distance from others.
I agree with those who think that Momochi is just reacting normally to knowledge of the Professor's behavior. (And, similarly, she prefers to avoid Smother Mother Miwa - but will work with her if necessary.)